Week 4 Rankings Discussion & Players You NEED to Know | Fantasy Focus
Dopp, Yates, and Clay break down Week 4 rankings, highlighting how unpredictable the quarterback position has been outside of Josh Allen and how Detroit's historically bad defense is turning every Lions game into a fantasy shootout. They also spotlight Jahmyr Gibbs' massive workload/projection, debate several runningback and receiver situations, and close with a head-to-head fantasy face-off between Dopp and Clay judged by Yates.
The hosts (Daniel, Mike Clay, and Field Yates) use this Week 4 rankings show to argue that the 2025 quarterback hierarchy has scrambled completely — Josh Allen is alone at the top, and nearly everyone else, including names drafted for stardom, is in flux. They spend most of the episode flagging players whose roles or efficiency have shifted enough in three weeks to change how you should be drafting, trading, and starting them the rest of the way.
The arguments
Josh Allen is the only "quarterback god" left; everyone else is a jumble. Field notes the preseason plan was to argue Lamar vs. Jaden Daniels vs. Hurts vs. Burrow for QB2, but instead Brock Purdy and Patrick Mahomes have forced their way into the conversation while Allen was briefly back-to-earth as QB19 in Week 3. Daniel adds that none of them has a definitive QB3 claim yet, and matchups are driving results more than preseason tiers suggested.
Bryce Young is a locked-in start against Detroit's historically bad defense. Mike points out Young leads the NFL in passing yards and expected passing touchdowns, with only his minimal rushing (three carries, 16 yards) as a red flag. Daniel is fully in, noting Allen, Geno Smith, and Tyler Shough have all cleared 23 points against this Lions defense, which is missing both starting safeties (Brian Branch, Kirby Joseph) with no timetable.
Jalen Hurts has fallen out of the fantasy QB1 elite tier. Daniel is "out" on him this week against the Rams after back-to-back finishes outside the top 15 versus Tennessee and Chicago, citing vanished rushing volume (carries down from ~150 to ~105 last year) and the loss of A.J. Brown as a passing outlet. Mike and Field both have him at QB11 this week and agree he's shifted from top-tier to a "low-end QB1/high-end Tier 2" — Mike frames it as the window on push-pull rushing production likely having closed for good.
Kyler Murray gets one last audition against Miami. Field frames this bluntly: if Murray can't produce against a Dolphins defense that has zero sacks all season, allows an 80.3% completion rate, and gives up 9.1 yards per attempt (second-worst in the league), he should be written off as a streaming option. In the live faceoff, though, Daniel still chose Mahomes over Murray, and Field (judging) sided with Mahomes, noting Murray hasn't topped 19 fantasy points since 2024.
Jahmyr Gibbs is outscoring his own absurd projection, while Ashton Jeanty's efficiency is becoming a real concern. Mike highlights Gibbs averaging 32.8 points per game against a 26.18 projection, with no threat behind him and a Lions team under pressure to win now. Field separately raises a flag on Jeanty, who's averaged just 2.3 and 2.9 yards per carry in his last two games against non-elite run defenses, projecting him more as a fringe RB1/solid RB2 rather than elite unless usage shifts toward more receiving work given his brutal four-game stretch (Chiefs, Patriots, Bills, Rams).
Jeremiah Love is a buy-low/must-start the next two weeks. Mike notes his snap share jumped from 43% to 63% in Week 3 as the Saints turned the backfield over to him, and he now faces the Giants (allowing 5.1 YPC to backs, third-highest) before a plus matchup against Detroit's run defense the following week.
Tight end streaming: Brock Bowers is special, but Darren Waller is this week's matchup play. Field values Bowers as roughly a top-8 wide receiver if reclassified by position and says he wouldn't trade him for anyone outside the CeeDee Lamb/Justin Jefferson tier. Separately, Field pitches Darren Waller as a top-10 streaming option against Detroit, noting six different tight ends have scored touchdowns against the Lions in three games, with five of six finishing as top-10 fantasy tight ends that week — and Waller's workload should rise further if Jalen Coker sits.
What it means for your roster
- Start Bryce Young with confidence this week — Lions' defense is giving up points to every quarterback it faces, and he's QB3-5 range for the hosts.
- Bench or significantly downgrade Jalen Hurts against the Rams — treat him as a low-end QB1 going forward, not a top-four fantasy quarterback, given the lost rushing floor and weakened passing attack.
- Stream Kyler Murray vs. Miami cautiously — the matchup is excellent, but the hosts (in their own faceoff) still preferred Mahomes; don't bank on him long-term if this week disappoints.
- Hold Jahmyr Gibbs as an elite, locked-in RB1, but monitor Ashton Jeanty's workload/efficiency closely — his brutal four-game slate (Chiefs, Patriots, Bills, Rams) makes him a watch-list name for regression to RB2 territory.
- Add or start Jeremiah Love now — this is the best two-week stretch (Giants, then Lions) to capture his expanded role before volume potentially contracts again.
- Target Darren Waller off waivers as a streaming TE1 this week against Detroit, especially if Jalen Coker is ruled out; Bowers should not be moved for anything short of a top-7/8 wide receiver.
“Kyler Murray, if not now, never, right?” — Field Yates
Players in this episode
↑ Averaging 32.8 fantasy points per game, getting ~30 touches a week, and is the clear goal-line back on a defense that must play from behind — hosts say his 26.18 projection may even be too low.
→ Reports and Sean McVay's comments suggest a real chance he plays this weekend after practicing.
→ Elite volume and target usage, but has averaged under 3 YPC in two of his three games (33rd in the NFL); hosts debate whether he settles into RB2 range rather than elite RB1 given a brutal upcoming schedule.
↓ Under 11 fantasy points in two straight weeks with minimal receiving production; lost a fantasy face-off to Bucky Irving despite being on a higher-scoring offense.
↑ Took over the backfield in Week 3 (63% snaps, 26 touches, TD) and gets a great matchup vs. the Giants, with hosts calling this a big window for him to be an RB1.
→ Ranked the overall TE1 this week ahead of Bowers, though hosts spent little analysis time on him directly.
↑ Dominant again last week; hosts say he's essentially untouchable in trades, valued around WR7-8 territory, not just elite among tight ends.
↓ Back-to-back weeks outside top-15 QB finishes; his rushing upside has disappeared and the loss of A.J. Brown has hurt the passing attack — hosts fear his elite fantasy QB days may be fading.
↑ Posted a career-high 39% target share last week (7-88-9 targets) after limited usage early in the season; trending toward a strong WR2.
↑ High touch and target share (2nd among RBs in catches) with a plus matchup vs. a defense allowing the 2nd-most fantasy points to RBs; won the face-off over Chase Brown.
↓ Back to a full-time role last week but the Chargers offense has been unproductive; lost a fantasy face-off to Luther Burden III.
↑ Ranked top-10 WR this week with a great matchup vs. Detroit's leaky secondary, regardless of weather concerns.
↑ Won the fantasy face-off over Kyler Murray; top-10 in the first two weeks and still productive in passing yards/TDs even with limited rushing.
↑ Drew 11 targets last week (7-61-1) and appears to be the clear top option in an offense now using Case Keenum; won the face-off over Ladd McConkie.
→ Preferred over Ladd McConkie in flex questions and seen as a fringe RB1 regardless of Nico Collins' health status for Houston.
↑ Moves up rankings with Rico Dowdle a non-participant in practice, putting him firmly in the flex/start conversation.
→ Broke out with 7-51-2 on 9 targets after a slow start; snaps and target share are up from last year, but Thursday's matchup vs. Pittsburgh is tough.
↑ Leading a condensed target tree in Green Bay (6th in targets, 5th in receiving yards, 3rd in TDs) and locked in as a strong WR2 as long as he stays healthy.
↑ Hosts say this week vs. Miami's sack-less, generous defense is a make-or-break moment for Murray as a fantasy starter; won a face-off argument for the start.
↓ Usage and production have faded significantly since Week 1 as Rashee Rice's role has grown; hosts note he still has zero career 100-yard regular-season games.
→ Banged up and iffy for Sunday night; his absence would boost Darren Waller and push hosts toward Denzel Boston as a pivot, though that matchup vs. Pittsburgh is tough.
↑ Leads the NFL in passing yards and expected passing TDs and gets a great matchup vs. Detroit's terrible defense this week.
↑ Named a sleeper top-10 TE play this week, citing a big target jump last week and a plus matchup if Jalen Coker remains out.